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Sudden Blindness in Dog
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HOWEDY Kim,
Hello,
My 7 year 10 month old Chow Chow has went blind almost over night.
That's SO SAD to hear. My prayers are with you and your dog.
The vet has her on Baytil and Prednisolone.
That's curiHOWES:

"Enrofloxacin (Baytril) may lower the seizure threshhold (meaning
that it can facilitate seizures). This is not a problem for normal
animals but fluoroquinolones are best not used in animals with known
seizure disorders.

Retinal damage has been seen in cats when higher doses
(such as might be used to treat a Pseudomonas ear infection)
are used. This reaction is not common even with very high
doses, but there is no way to pedict which cats will react.
Blindness, temporary or permanent, can result.

This reaction has only been reported with enrofloxacin
and not with other fluoroquinolones, as it is theorized
that the biochemical structure of enrofloxacin leads to
especially high concentrations in the feline eye (in other
words, this reaction is theoretically possible with any
fluoroquinolones but enrofloxacin is especially predisposed
to causing this reaction).

SS, 4/7/91) In mid November, "Stanley" had a minor bout
of gastric upset, which the vet treated with the antibiotic
"Baytril," a Bayer product.

Within 5 days of starting the course of Baytril, Stanley
was found to be suddenly and completely BLIND. Bayer was
contacted by the attending Vet, who was told that Bayer
was aware of a problem with the Baytril in "certain small
breeds" causing irreparable blindness.

They instructed the owners to have the dog examined by two
different Veterinary Opthamalogists, who have both confirmed
that Stanley is completely 100% blind, his retinas both
complete destroyed and no evidence of other trauma or underlying
illness or hereditary reason for this sudden onset of blindness
except the use of Baytril (no other meds of any kind, including
holistics are being given to this dog)

Bayer is paying for over $1500 worth of Veterinary care and
examination on this dog. They have issued a warning to
veterinarians on the link between Baytril and sudden onset
blindness, and apparently, they knew of this problem for
nearly a year.

Dr. Nick Busanich, who is treating Stanley, has found all
kinds of reference to Baytril and blindness on the internet,
and at the recent Veterinary Opthamology conference held in
Chicago last month, which he attended, the topic of Baytril
and blindness was a major discussion.

Bayer is supposed to be issuing veterinary notice regarding
the possibility of blindness in dogs treated with Baytril.
They recommend halving the usual dosage will reduce the risk.
Since Baytril is a common antibiotic used by many breeders
(and often in our medicine cabinets for our dogs) I feel it
is very important to warn breeders of this risk, real or not.

It's not worth taking the risk of using Baytril if there is
any chance of causing your dog to be blind. There are other
choices in antibiotics besides Baytril. I had about 12 Baytril
in my first aid kit, and they have been flushed down the toilet
today!"

====================
She has become very uneasy, walking in circles.
You can quell those SYMPTOMS using the distraction
and praise techniques and PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual (find link below).
If I hold her she calms down some.
THAT WILL REINFORCE HER INSECURITY. You MUST rely
on NON PHYSCIAL PRAISE otherWIZE you'll be "coddling"
her anxiety and therbye reinforce it.
Has anyone ever experienced anything like this.
What's curiHOWES to The Amazing Puppy WIzard is
that your VET would PRESCRIBE anti biotics and
steroids in the absence of ANY finding of infection
or inflamation.

The SYMPTOMS of circling and "uneasiness" are TYPICAL
of OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER, which CAN CAUSE
"Hysterical Blindness".
They have run all the tests and they came back ok.
The remaining question The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
is do her eyes respond to light, IOW, do her pupils
dilate and contract?
Thanks!
COULD BE your dog got a meningioma pressing
on her optic nerve. OR it COULD BE just another
case of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
Kim
In a seemingly non related thread, The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: Suzie-Q <***@htcomp.net>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:10:50 -0600

Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries
Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has
just started this thing where she
cries for a bit....and it sounds
different than she's meowed in the past
...it's pretty loud.
This is getting weird! You're about the third or fourth
person who has posted this exact same thing in the last
year or so. The reason I know this is because I also have
two 17-year old cats that do the same thing. In each case -
I am not making this up - the cats were 17 years old! So I
have paid particular attention to these posts.

I am convinced that my cats are healthy, and can find no
logical reason for their crying. It drives me crazy -
especially when they do it three or four times a night,
whether they're locked out of the bedroom or not.

One of my two teens (Dufus) will stop when I say "shut up!" But
the other one (Bubba) just gets louder! I tried some reverse
psychology recently -- when Bubba started I yelled "Louder!" I
was surprised when he actually stopped yelling! Whatever works!

I have never read any replies to any of these people that
explained their cats' "yowling," and no one has ever posted
a follow up to let us know if there was any problem found
with the cats or if the cats ever stopped their yowling.

Please do let us (me) know if you get any good answers that
aren't posted here.

You can see my two teenagers, and my five other pets (cats &
dogs), on my website. URL is below.

8^)~~~~ Sue


Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
From: ***@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli)
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:22:01 GMT

Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries

In <***@home.com>,

J Wootton <***@home.com> wrote:
*Shanna wrote:

*
*> Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has just started
*> this thing where she cries for a bit....and it sounds
*> different than she's meowed in the past...it's pretty
*> loud. She's fine....she plays, eats, and seems in good
*> health.


I'd definitely want to rule out hyperthyroidism, if tha
hasn't already been done. If the cat has a normal physical
exam and normal bloodwork (including T4 and toxoplasma
serology!), it might be "getting senile," or it might have
some other brain disease (meningioma being most common, I
think). If it is just "getting senile," sometimes when the
cat is yowling, wrapping it in a towel and holding it tightly
against you can help. Even then it may take 20 min or so to
calm the cat down, though.

Good luck getting to the root of the matter.

--
hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net ***@hillary.net
"uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)

Some CAUSES of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (***@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <***@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<***@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
Date: 02/05/1999
You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:***@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================
On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
actually admit to buying and having success with his
little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <***@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <***@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <***@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
On another note: I understand why someone
proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
*doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
underlying that technique.
Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
method, though anyone is welcome to make that
leap.
I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
and its model of learning.
Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

From: TooCool (***@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (***@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"***@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <***@mindspring.com
To: <***@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

"Linda" <***@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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T***@Mail.Com
2005-10-14 16:41:10 UTC
Permalink
HOWEDY ruthie,
<The vet had a name for the problem,
Yeah. It's called idiopathic blindenss.
sorry I can't remember it's been too many years>
Could it be Sudden Acquired Retinal Degeneration?
You mean STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
Here is link that discusses it and does mention
http://www.eyevet.info/sards.html
Yeah, it OCCURS suddenly after prolonged STRESS from MISHANDLING.
--
Ruth, Greta, Woody & Thelma
Stress Induced Blindness - Effects Of Emotions On Glaucoma

HOWEDY People,

Fri, Sep 26 2003
Just reported this week from opthamologic society
that men who wear tight fitting neckties tend to have
MOORE glaucoma.

You can't be jerking and choking and scoldin your
dogs no MOORE:

You're KILLIN and making your dogs go blind, to boot:

The most common precipitating events include illness,
emotional stress, trauma, intense concentration, and
pharmacologic pupillary dilation.[Sugar, 1941 #116; Lowe,
1961 #8957] The role of emotional stress in inducing acute
angle-closure should not be underestimated.[Inman, 1929
#190; Egan, 1955 #189; Cross, 1960 #188]

==================

From: David Wright (***@tesco.net)
Subject: Re: Effects of emotions on glaucoma
Newsgroups: alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1999/07/01

The role of stress in glaucoma is difficult to establish but
anecdotal evidence from many doctors suggests that it might
well play a role in glaucoma. As far as we know there are not
any clinical papers on the subject, indeed part of the problem
in investigating the relationship of stress to any condition
is that the investigation itself tends to be somewhat
stressful. However, the best advice would be to keep stress
levels as low as possible without raising them again by
worrying about it.

David Wright MSAE
Chief Executive, International Glaucoma Association

While we are pleased to offer the above information, it is not
possible for the International Glaucoma Association to advise
on an individual patient's eye condition or treatment as this
has to be the role of their own doctor or eye specialist who
knows the full details of their particular case.

----------
I seem to recall hearing on occasion the role of stress on
eye pressure. My doc asked me on my last tonometry if I was
under stress. However, after researching the subject I cannot
find out anything. Many areas of medicine have acknowleged
the role of stress reduction on things such as blood
pressure, the immune system, pain sensitivity etc.
What about things like anxiety, insomnia, anger, depression,
etc and the effects on eye pressure. Is there any correlation?
Does biofeedback have any effect on reducing eye pressure? If
there hasn't been any research like this there should be! I
would appreciate any thoughts on this subject.
Thanks.
From: ritch (***@inx.inx.net)
Subject: Re: Cerebrospinal Pressure,Glaucoma, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med.vision, alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1996/01/26

2. Constant elevated IOP was shown to block axoplasmic
transport at the level of the lamina cribrosa a generation ago
by electron microscopic studies. However, it has more recently
been advocated that shear stress is just as important. In the
latter case, changes in IOP can cause sliding of the plates of
the lamina cribrosa over each other, twisting and damaging the
axons that pass through it.

=========================

Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia: Complementary
Treatments For Improving And Saving Your Eyes Marc
Grossman, O.D., L.Ac. & Glen Swartwout, O.D. Keats
Publishing/NTC/Contemporary Publishing Group, Inc.
4255 West Touhy Avenue, Lincolnwood, IL
60646 0-87983-704-7 $16.95

As well as being practicing optometrists, Dr. Marc
Grossman and Dr. Glen Swartwout have been trained
in Chinese medicine, acupuncture, and naturopathic
medicine.

Both have also published previous books. Their joint
effort, Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia: Complementary
Treatments For Improving And Saving Your Eyes, draws
from the best of traditional and modern medicine for the
prevention and treatment of eye disorders.

The authors say that their "primary goal is to offer a
practical approach to vision care based on an underlying
philosophy that emphasizes prevention rather than cure."

They begin with a fascinating discussion of how the eye
functions, including information like "the entire blood volume
of the body passes through the eyes every 40 minutes or so."

Although many of us don't realize it, our eyes are the
first to suffer when we feel physical or mental stress. They
also cite studies showing that allergies in children improve
when their vision is enhanced through vision therapy.

Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout devote one chapter to a
explanation of the various natural treatments and how they are
used for treating vision disorders.

They emphasize the "vision diet," which focuses on eating
lots of fresh foods and eliminating processed or refined foods.
They also discuss the role of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM),
acupressure, herbs, physical exercise, eye exercises, spinal
adjustments, and homeopathy in preventing and treating eye
diseases.

Each of the following eye diseases have their own chapter:
glaucoma, cataracts, macular degeneration, dry eyes, sties,
floaters, and conjunctivitis (pink eye). The authors provide a
description of the causes and symptoms of each disease, and a
summary of conventional treatment. They then describe a
healing program for those who have each vision disorder, based
on natural treatments. Each chapter ends with a prevention
program for those who still have healthy eyes.

An appendix provides acupressure directions. They also
include an extensive reference section, and listing for resources
for those who can't obtain natural products locally.

Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout say that "the good news
is that we don't have to be passive victims of eye disease. Eye
deterioration can often be stopped--and even reversed." Readers
will find Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia a comprehensive
and invaluable resource for the prevention and treatment of vision
disorders. Paper. 196 pp.

Subject: Re: Blind dog
Date: 2002-01-16 12:40:39 PST
My dog is getting increasingly blind. There is still some
light in the eye, but the milky cataract gloom says enough.
Is there in Holland a veterinaire who does cataract surgery
on dogs? Thanks for your reaction, Bert
See www.blinddogs.com for information on vet opthalmologists.
I believe there are some listings (recommended by owners of
blind dogs) in western Europe.

Good luck.
Cate

====================

Date: 2001-07-11 13:19:36 PST
He said if Gyppers doesn't respond to the
medication, I can have his eyes removed. I should add
that Gyppers is blind, so he really wouldn't know the
difference, I guess, but I have never heard of this
before. Can anyone out there tell me if this is a common
practice? The vet said he removed another blind dog's
eyes who was also suffering with glaucoma and that dog
went on to live a long and healthy life. Any input on
this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Karen
I have a couple of client dogs in my grooming shop who have
had eyes removed due to glaucoma.....
They seem to function quite well.
This matches what I've heard from owners of
dogs who've had this procedure.

Please see www.blinddogs.com for a wealth of information on
glaucoma, as well as a mailing list of blind dog owners, at
least several of whom have dogs who've had this done. Also see
www.eyevet.org.

Good luck.

Cate

====================
A***@HushMail.Com
2005-10-14 18:34:15 UTC
Permalink
HOWEDY dra debora former Capt. Debora US Army DVM,
Was she on the meds before she went blind?
What did her retinal exam look
like? If the neuro exam and fundic exam are normal, I'd recommend seeing an
ophthalmologist. Retinal detachments can cause this, or something like
progressive retinal atrophy or SARDS. This website is a good source of info
on eye diseases: http://www.eyevet.ca/
Deborah, DVM
Hello,
My 7 year 10 month old Chow Chow has went blind almost over night. The
vet has her on Baytil and Prednisolone. She has become very uneasy,
walking in circles. If I hold her she calms down some. Has anyone
ever experienced anything like this. They have run all the tests and
they came back ok.
Thanks!
Kim
Blindness can be caused by STRESS and CHOKING.

Subject: Re: UPDATE: Dog going blind, what can I do?
Date: 2003-09-28 18:21:31 PST

HOWEDY People,

Just reported this week from opthamologic society
that men who wear tight fitting neckties tend to have
MOORE glaucoma.

You can't be jerking and choking and scoldin your
dogs no MOORE

You're KILLIN and making your dogs go blind, to boot:

The most common precipitating events include illness,
emotional stress, trauma, intense concentration, and
pharmacologic pupillary dilation.[Sugar, 1941 #116; Lowe,
1961 #8957] The role of emotional stress in inducing acute
angle-closure should not be underestimated.[Inman, 1929
#190; Egan, 1955 #189; Cross, 1960 #188]

==================

From: David Wright (***@tesco.net)
Subject: Re: Effects of emotions on glaucoma
Newsgroups: alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1999/07/01

The role of stress in glaucoma is difficult to establish but
anecdotal evidence from many doctors suggests that it might
well play a role in glaucoma. As far as we know there are not
any clinical papers on the subject, indeed part of the problem
in investigating the relationship of stress to any condition
is that the investigation itself tends to be somewhat
stressful. However, the best advice would be to keep stress
levels as low as possible without raising them again by
worrying about it.

David Wright MSAE
Chief Executive, International Glaucoma Association

While we are pleased to offer the above information, it is not
possible for the International Glaucoma Association to advise
on an individual patient's eye condition or treatment as this
has to be the role of their own doctor or eye specialist who
knows the full details of their particular case.

----------
I seem to recall hearing on occasion the role of stress on
eye pressure. My doc asked me on my last tonometry if I was
under stress. However, after researching the subject I cannot
find out anything.
Many areas of medicine have acknowleged
the role of stress reduction on things such as blood
pressure, the immune system, pain sensitivity etc.
What about things like anxiety, insomnia, anger, depression,
etc and the effects on eye pressure. Is there any correlation?
Does biofeedback have any effect on reducing eye pressure? If
there hasn't been any research like this there should be! I
would appreciate any thoughts on this subject.
Thanks.
From: ritch (***@inx.inx.net)
Subject: Re: Cerebrospinal Pressure,Glaucoma, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med.vision, alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1996/01/26

2. Constant elevated IOP was shown to block axoplasmic
transport at the level of the lamina cribrosa a generation ago
by electron microscopic studies. However, it has more recently
been advocated that shear stress is just as important. In the
latter case, changes in IOP can cause sliding of the plates of
the lamina cribrosa over each other, twisting and damaging the
axons that pass through it.

=========================

Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia: Complementary
Treatments For Improving And Saving Your Eyes Marc
Grossman, O.D., L.Ac. & Glen Swartwout, O.D. Keats
Publishing/NTC/Contemporary Publishing Group, Inc.
4255 West Touhy Avenue, Lincolnwood, IL
60646 0-87983-704-7 $16.95

As well as being practicing optometrists, Dr. Marc
Grossman and Dr. Glen Swartwout have been trained
in Chinese medicine, acupuncture, and naturopathic
medicine.

Both have also published previous books. Their joint
effort, Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia: Complementary
Treatments For Improving And Saving Your Eyes, draws
from the best of traditional and modern medicine for the
prevention and treatment of eye disorders.

The authors say that their "primary goal is to offer a
practical approach to vision care based on an underlying
philosophy that emphasizes prevention rather than cure."

They begin with a fascinating discussion of how the eye
functions, including information like "the entire blood volume
of the body passes through the eyes every 40 minutes or so."

Although many of us don't realize it, our eyes are the
first to suffer when we feel physical or mental stress. They
also cite studies showing that allergies in children improve
when their vision is enhanced through vision therapy.

Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout devote one chapter to a
explanation of the various natural treatments and how they are
used for treating vision disorders.

They emphasize the "vision diet," which focuses on eating
lots of fresh foods and eliminating processed or refined foods.
They also discuss the role of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM),
acupressure, herbs, physical exercise, eye exercises, spinal
adjustments, and homeopathy in preventing and treating eye
diseases.

Each of the following eye diseases have their own chapter:
glaucoma, cataracts, macular degeneration, dry eyes, sties,
floaters, and conjunctivitis (pink eye). The authors provide a
description of the causes and symptoms of each disease, and a
summary of conventional treatment.

They then describe a healing program for those who
have each vision disorder, based on natural treatments.
Each chapter ends with a prevention program for those
who still have healthy eyes.

An appendix provides acupressure directions. They also
include an extensive reference section, and listing for resources
for those who can't obtain natural products locally.

Dr. Grossman and Dr. Swartwout say that "the good news
is that we don't have to be passive victims of eye disease. Eye
deterioration can often be stopped--and even reversed."

Readers will find Natural Eye Care, An Encyclopedia a
comprehensive and invaluable resource for the prevention
and treatment of vision disorders. Paper. 196 pp.

FIGGER IT HOWET.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <***@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:59:28 GMT

Subject: Re: thyroid and blindness - is there a connection?
is it possible that the blindness is associated
with the thyroid disorder or medication?
-kelly
Subject: Re: Cleaning teeth
Date: 2003-11-02 03:30:05 PST

HOWEDY Professora Daniel,

That's true. When we supplement calcium the
body "unlearns" HOWE to 'manufacture' it. That
means the body can't replace the Ca that's been
burned off from exercise or stress, between doses.
That'll cause BIG trHOWEBLE, maybe even heart
attacks.

Same same with other brain chemicals affected
by some of the psychotropic drugs like ssri inhibitors.
So, while we may need to supplement for a particular
reason we've got to use them judiciHOWESLY so as
to not become unable to manufacture and extract
those chemicals from HOWER system given a well
balanced natural diet.

What it boils dHOWEN to is the brain and body are
running on a biochemical electric system. WithHOWET
the proper balance of enzymes electrolytes amino
acids and conductors like zinc iron copper magnese
etc we're gonna lose trainsmisson of the electro chemicals
responsible for every function of the organism.

Calcium stones and recurrent irritable bHOWEL and
urinary tract inflammations in professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S
little dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator were CAUSED BY STRESS and could
not be controled through medical care at the cost of
hundreds and hundreds of dollars, were relieved through
sexual stimulation a mano using a warm moist tHOWEL and
aloe gel, hence PROVING The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

Of curse, The Puppy Wizard recommended BEING NICE,
but not THAT NICE. HE recommneds using the relaxing
methods taught in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual, not
becoming a sex surrogate for the hyperactive little Maxie.

Magnesium is nature's muscle (and brain) relaxant.
B6 is used in over 200 biochemical reactions. It works
with magnesium and essential fatty acids (EPA, DHA)
to calm inflammed neurons. B6 has been used for
morning sickness and carpal tunnel syndrome for a century.
C reduces inflamations and may prevent chd and may be
effective for critcal care given IV for stuff like distemper
or parvo.

Upsetting the delicate balances of acids, hormones,
all the electro chemicals necessary for neuro STUFF
by overstressing / undernourishing, is what precipitates
the devastating physical DIS-EASES nHOWE known
as The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME we're seein so
much of here abHOWETS in the dogs on The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forum, every thing from seizures to neuro myopathies
degenerative nuropathies and myalgias, glaucoma,
adrenal / thyroid / endocrine DIS-EASE, blindness and
even dental DIS-EASE.

The Puppy Wizard has seen little need to clean HIS
dog's teeth. If you look at the dogs with dental DIS-EASE
you'll probably find them to be anxiHOWES neurotic
excessive chewers and fast eaters.

Perhaps instead of over supplementing we should
concentrate on a nutritious diet with the correct balances
of building blocks particularly vitamin C and omega 3 fatty
acids, remove toxins from the environment, including and
ESPECIALLY STRESS, food preservatives, allergens and
phenols in HOWEshold cleaners to allHOWE the body
to function at it's best.

Recent research at UCLA sez emotional stress from
scolding / embarrassment / punishment / rejection, causes
MOORE DAMAGE than the stress from physical punishment.

Took em long enough, didn't it?

The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >


http://www.econ.uiuc.edu/~hanko/Bio/stress.html

Everyone experiences stress. Whether it is everyday hassles, such as
being stuck in traffic, or more acute forms of stress, such as pain or
traumatic experiences, stress plays a part in everyone's lives. In this
paper I will discuss the various forms of stress, how stress affects
the immune system, and how that affectation influences diseases.

Before diving right into the technical aspects of stressors and the
immune system, I need to define several terms. A stressor is any
stimuli that causes a nonspecific response in an indidual, otherwise
known as stress (Elliott and Eisdorfer, 1982).

There are two main catagories of stress: acute and chronic. Acute
stressors include unpleasant films, understimulation/work underload,
overstimulation/work overload, unexpected or uncontrollable noise,
prestige or status loss, electric shock, uncontrollable situations,
physical illness, surgery, threats to self-esteem, and traumatic
experiences. Chronic stressors include sleep deprivation, daily
"hassles", work overload or underload, role strains, or social
isolation. There are, of course, many more things that can cause
stress, but these are the stressors most commonly used in experimental
research and most commonly seen in the general population (Elliott and
Eisdorfer, 1982).

While there is no way to predict conclusively how an individual will
respond to different stressors, stress does cause some common changes.
Emotionally, stress can lead to feelings of depression, anxiety, and
anger (McEwen & Stellar, 1993). But even these seemingly simple
reactions have high degrees of expressivity, and different individuals
are affected in different ways.

Individual differences in responding to challenge are products of
genetics, developmental and environmental influences, and experience
(McEwen & Stellar, 1993). Some people may cope well with stress, rising
to the challenge and meeting their goals. Others may be more adversely
affected by stressors, leading to mental as well as physical fatigue.

But under what mechanism does this occur? How does stress, a vague and
ambiguous term, cause specific and documented changes in the body?

In order to understand these changes, I must first introduce you to the
immune system. The immune system protects the body from disease
organisms and other foreign bodies, known as antigens. The first line
of defense is local barriers such as the skin, peritoneum, etc, and
inflammation due to immunoglobulins, or antibodies. If those fail to
block or destroy the antigens, the cell-mediated immune response and
the humoral immune response kick in. The cell-mediated response uses
sensitized T cells (white blood cells derived in the thymus) to
recognize, attach to, and render antigens inactive. Other types of T
cells, helper T cells, which aid in production of antibodies by B (bone
marrow) cells, and suppressor/cytotoxic T cells, which inhibit that
production, are also essential for proper immune system function.
Helper T cells are also known as CD4 cells, and suppressor T cells are
known as CD8 cells (Glaser, Anderson & Anderson, 1992).

Studies by Manuck, et al in 1991 showed that psychological stressors
induced cell division among CD8 cells, thereby increasing the number of
CD8 cells and suppressing immune function. However, this response was
only seen in those subjects who also showed high heart rate change and
catecholamine change during the stressors. This was consistent with the
theory that there are two groups of people ­ those who are "high
reactors", and those who are "low reactors". High reactors are
significantly affected by stress, as shown by a significant increase in
heart rate, blood pressure, catecholamines, and CD8 cells. Low reactors
show little or no change in those areas (Manuck, et al, 1991).

Catecholamines are chemicals produced by the body that work in nerve
transmission. The three main catecholamines include dopamine,
epinephrine, and norepinephrine. Dopamine raises the heart rate and
blood pressure, epinephrine raises heart rate and opens blood vessels
(lowering blood pressure), and norepinephrine closes blood vessels
(raising blood pressure) (Glaser, Anderson & Anderson, 1992).
Epinephrine and norepinephrine are the catecholamines most commonly
measured in stress experiments, and both increase under stress.
Increases such as these can suppress aspects of immune function,
including natural killer cell (cells that attack antigens without
having recognized them first) activity. Increases in catacholemines may
also rapidly alter cell numbers via redistribution (Naliboff, et al,
1991). In fact, changes in epinephrine levels are thought to reflect
lymphocyte migration from bone marrow, the extremities, and the thymus
(Kiecolt-Glaser, et al, 1992) to other areas of the body.

How do these chemical changes influence disease? It is well known that
asthma, diabetes, various gastro-intestinal disorders, heart disease
and viral infections are influenced by stress, but to what extent? When
the immune system is suppressed, as it is under stress, latent viruses
can obviously stage a comeback, but how does stress affect non-viral
diseases?

In asthma, a disease which involves both external and internal factors,
it is the internal factor that is most affected by acute effects of
psychological stressors. Studies have shown that children with chronic
asthma inprove considerably when away from their parents. The changes
may have resulted from removal of an interaction that produced frequent
stressful situations. In 1974, Liebman et al successfully used family
therapy to treat severe and chronic asthma in seven out of seven
children. Additionally, asthmatics exposed to a harmless substance that
they thought they were allergic to illicited a severe attack (Elliott &
Eisdorfer, 1982). Even more importantly, interactions between antigens
and immunoglobulin E antibodies lead to the release of histamine, which
blocks airways, and other mediating agents (Elliot & Eisdorfer, 1982).
When antigens have an easier time invading the body, as they do under
stress, the number of such interactions increases considerably.

Diabetes mellitus, the most common form of diabetes, is significantly
affected by stress. Physical or psychological stressors can alter
insulin needs; stressors may often be responsible for episodes of loss
of control, especially in diabetic children. Type II diabetes is most
often affected by stress, as it tends to occur in overweight adults and
is a less severe form of diabetes (Elliot & Eisdorfer, 1982).
Additionally, children who had stressful life events stemming from
actual or threatened losses within the family and occuring between ages
5 and 9 had a significantly higher risk of Type I diabetes (McEwen &
Stellar, 1993).

Gastrointestinal diseases such as peptic ulcers and ulcerative colitis
are known to be greatly influenced by stress. Peptic ulcers occur twice
as often in air traffic controllers as in civilian copilots, and
occured more frequently among air traffic controllers at high-stress
control centers (Chicago O'Hare, La Guardia, JFK, and Los Angeles
International Airport) than at low-stress control centers (airports in
less-populated cities in Virginia, Ohio, Texas, and Michigan). Although
stress is a major risk factor in peptic ulcers, more than 20 other
factors are thought to be associated as well; blood type, sex, HLA
antigen type, alcoholic cirrhosis, hypertension, chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease, cigarette smoking, and even consumption of coffee,
carbonated beverages or milk during college (Elliott & Eisdorfer,
1982).

Ulcers are caused by excessive stomach acid, and studies of patients
with gastric fistulas (openings leading from the stomach to the outside
of the body) have shown that anger and hostility increase stomach
acidity, while depression and withdrawal decrease it. Stress ulcers
frequently occur in patients who experience severe trauma, extensive
surgery, major burns or infections, brain injury or surgery, or other
catastrophic events. Stress ulcers are quite different from peptic
ulcers; they are acute, hemorrhagic (bleeding), and are usually
preceeded by shock (Ballieux, 1984).

Myocardial infarction (MI, or heart attack) is the best-known example
of an acute health problem that is usually precipitated by both acute
and chronic physical or psychological stress. Interactions between diet
and stress lead to a condition that promotes endocrine imbalances that
alter body fat distributions, as well as increase atherosclerosis
(plaque buildup in the arteries). Studies have shown that people with
Type A behavior (unusually aggressive, competitive, work-oriented, and
urgent behavior) have a much higher incidence of heart attacks than do
Type B people, who exhibit fewer of these traits. In addition, Type A
behavior is associated with high cholesterol, triglycerides,
glucocorticoids; a greater insulin response to glucose; increased
severity of coronary artery lesions; and greater range and magnitude of
blood pressure and catecholamine responses to timed tests (Elliott &
Eisdorfer, 1982). As stated earlier, stress increases catecholamines,
and the increase of plasma catecholamines enhances platelet
aggregation, lowers the threshold to cardiac arrythmias, induces
narrowing of the blood vessels, and suppresses insulin secretion
(McEwen & Stellar, 1993). All of these combined can lead to a very high
risk of heart attack or angina.

Psychological stress has also been shown to increase susceptibility to
viral infection. Subjects exposed to stress showed increases in
infection rates from 74% to 90%, and clinical colds rose from 27% to
47%. Earlier studies have shown that medical students have an increased
risk of mononucleosis during examination periods (McEwen & Stellar,
1993). This is not surprising, as stress does suppress the immune
system; latent viruses then have an easier time resurging, since the
body cannot defend itself as well (Brosschot, et al, 1994). This is
supported by studies showing that colds and other infections manifest
themselves on weekends after busy and stressful work weeks.
Additionally, studies on monkeys have shown that ulceration showed up
most severely during the rest and recovery periods, rather than during
the stress period itself (McEwen & Stellar, 1993).

In conclusion, psychological stress does have a significant affect on
the immune system. It raises catecholamine and CD8 levels, which
suppresses the immune system. This suppression, in turn, raises the
risk of viral infection. Stress also leads to the release of
histamines, which can trigger severe broncoconstriction in asthmatics.
Stress increases the risk for diabetes mellitus, especially in
overweight individuals, since psychological stress alters insulin
needs. Psychological stress also alters the acid concentration in the
stomach, which can lead to peptic ulcers, stress ulcers, or ulcerative
colitis. Chronic stress can also lead to plaque buildup in the
arteries, especially if combined with a high-fat diet. This buildup is
called atherosclerosis, and is often responsible for angina or heart
attacks, which are usually brought on by acute stress themselves. These
diseases are by no means the only ones connected with psychological
stress, although they are the most common. Further research is needed
to clarify exactly how stressors contribute to each of these problems,
so that treatment can be given to protect the body from these diseases.
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HOWEDY Kim,
Hello,
My 7 year 10 month old Chow Chow has went blind almost over night.
That's SO SAD to hear. My prayers are with you and your dog.
The vet has her on Baytil and Prednisolone.
"Enrofloxacin (Baytril) may lower the seizure threshhold (meaning
that it can facilitate seizures). This is not a problem for normal
animals but fluoroquinolones are best not used in animals with known
seizure disorders.
Retinal damage has been seen in cats when higher doses
(such as might be used to treat a Pseudomonas ear infection)
are used. This reaction is not common even with very high
doses, but there is no way to pedict which cats will react.
Blindness, temporary or permanent, can result.
This reaction has only been reported with enrofloxacin
and not with other fluoroquinolones, as it is theorized
that the biochemical structure of enrofloxacin leads to
especially high concentrations in the feline eye (in other
words, this reaction is theoretically possible with any
fluoroquinolones but enrofloxacin is especially predisposed
to causing this reaction).
SS, 4/7/91) In mid November, "Stanley" had a minor bout
of gastric upset, which the vet treated with the antibiotic
"Baytril," a Bayer product.
Within 5 days of starting the course of Baytril, Stanley
was found to be suddenly and completely BLIND. Bayer was
contacted by the attending Vet, who was told that Bayer
was aware of a problem with the Baytril in "certain small
breeds" causing irreparable blindness.
They instructed the owners to have the dog examined by two
different Veterinary Opthamalogists, who have both confirmed
that Stanley is completely 100% blind, his retinas both
complete destroyed and no evidence of other trauma or underlying
illness or hereditary reason for this sudden onset of blindness
except the use of Baytril (no other meds of any kind, including
holistics are being given to this dog)
Bayer is paying for over $1500 worth of Veterinary care and
examination on this dog. They have issued a warning to
veterinarians on the link between Baytril and sudden onset
blindness, and apparently, they knew of this problem for
nearly a year.
Dr. Nick Busanich, who is treating Stanley, has found all
kinds of reference to Baytril and blindness on the internet,
and at the recent Veterinary Opthamology conference held in
Chicago last month, which he attended, the topic of Baytril
and blindness was a major discussion.
Bayer is supposed to be issuing veterinary notice regarding
the possibility of blindness in dogs treated with Baytril.
They recommend halving the usual dosage will reduce the risk.
Since Baytril is a common antibiotic used by many breeders
(and often in our medicine cabinets for our dogs) I feel it
is very important to warn breeders of this risk, real or not.
It's not worth taking the risk of using Baytril if there is
any chance of causing your dog to be blind. There are other
choices in antibiotics besides Baytril. I had about 12 Baytril
in my first aid kit, and they have been flushed down the toilet
today!"
====================
She has become very uneasy, walking in circles.
You can quell those SYMPTOMS using the distraction
and praise techniques and PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual (find link below).
If I hold her she calms down some.
THAT WILL REINFORCE HER INSECURITY. You MUST rely
on NON PHYSCIAL PRAISE otherWIZE you'll be "coddling"
her anxiety and therbye reinforce it.
Has anyone ever experienced anything like this.
What's curiHOWES to The Amazing Puppy WIzard is
that your VET would PRESCRIBE anti biotics and
steroids in the absence of ANY finding of infection
or inflamation.
The SYMPTOMS of circling and "uneasiness" are TYPICAL
of OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER, which CAN CAUSE
"Hysterical Blindness".
They have run all the tests and they came back ok.
The remaining question The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
is do her eyes respond to light, IOW, do her pupils
dilate and contract?
Thanks!
COULD BE your dog got a meningioma pressing
on her optic nerve. OR it COULD BE just another
case of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
Kim
In a seemingly non related thread, The
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:10:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries
Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has
just started this thing where she
cries for a bit....and it sounds
different than she's meowed in the past
...it's pretty loud.
This is getting weird! You're about the third or fourth
person who has posted this exact same thing in the last
year or so. The reason I know this is because I also have
two 17-year old cats that do the same thing. In each case -
I am not making this up - the cats were 17 years old! So I
have paid particular attention to these posts.
I am convinced that my cats are healthy, and can find no
logical reason for their crying. It drives me crazy -
especially when they do it three or four times a night,
whether they're locked out of the bedroom or not.
One of my two teens (Dufus) will stop when I say "shut up!" But
the other one (Bubba) just gets louder! I tried some reverse
psychology recently -- when Bubba started I yelled "Louder!" I
was surprised when he actually stopped yelling! Whatever works!
I have never read any replies to any of these people that
explained their cats' "yowling," and no one has ever posted
a follow up to let us know if there was any problem found
with the cats or if the cats ever stopped their yowling.
Please do let us (me) know if you get any good answers that
aren't posted here.
You can see my two teenagers, and my five other pets (cats &
dogs), on my website. URL is below.
8^)~~~~ Sue
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:22:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries
*
*> Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has just started
*> this thing where she cries for a bit....and it sounds
*> different than she's meowed in the past...it's pretty
*> loud. She's fine....she plays, eats, and seems in good
*> health.
I'd definitely want to rule out hyperthyroidism, if tha
hasn't already been done. If the cat has a normal physical
exam and normal bloodwork (including T4 and toxoplasma
serology!), it might be "getting senile," or it might have
some other brain disease (meningioma being most common, I
think). If it is just "getting senile," sometimes when the
cat is yowling, wrapping it in a towel and holding it tightly
against you can help. Even then it may take 20 min or so to
calm the cat down, though.
Good luck getting to the root of the matter.
--
"uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
Date: 02/05/1999
You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
actually admit to buying and having success with his
little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
On another note: I understand why someone
proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
*doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
underlying that technique.
Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
method, though anyone is welcome to make that
leap.
I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
and its model of learning.
Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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Please DON'T BE The Amazing Pussy Wizard's PREY.
IT AIN'T PRETTY.
My dog became blind in one eye after 4 days of baytril...So upset. Baytril should be removed from the market...and all vets should be warned.
cshenk
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On Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-4,
Post by T***@AniMail.Net
HOWEDY Kim,
Hello,
My 7 year 10 month old Chow Chow has went blind almost over night.
Hi Kim, you are replying to a 2005 post (14 years old). You also
unfortunately quoted some 2,000 lines of text.

Do you have a current question? I am pretty good with blind dog
support.
cshenk
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On Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-4,
Post by T***@AniMail.Net
HOWEDY Kim,
Hello,
My 7 year 10 month old Chow Chow has went blind almost over night.
That's SO SAD to hear. My prayers are with you and your dog.
The vet has her on Baytil and Prednisolone.
"Enrofloxacin (Baytril) may lower the seizure threshhold (meaning
that it can facilitate seizures). This is not a problem for normal
animals but fluoroquinolones are best not used in animals with known
seizure disorders.
Retinal damage has been seen in cats when higher doses
(such as might be used to treat a Pseudomonas ear infection)
are used. This reaction is not common even with very high
doses, but there is no way to pedict which cats will react.
Blindness, temporary or permanent, can result.
This reaction has only been reported with enrofloxacin
and not with other fluoroquinolones, as it is theorized
that the biochemical structure of enrofloxacin leads to
especially high concentrations in the feline eye (in other
words, this reaction is theoretically possible with any
fluoroquinolones but enrofloxacin is especially predisposed
to causing this reaction).
SS, 4/7/91) In mid November, "Stanley" had a minor bout
of gastric upset, which the vet treated with the antibiotic
"Baytril," a Bayer product.
Within 5 days of starting the course of Baytril, Stanley
was found to be suddenly and completely BLIND. Bayer was
contacted by the attending Vet, who was told that Bayer
was aware of a problem with the Baytril in "certain small
breeds" causing irreparable blindness.
They instructed the owners to have the dog examined by two
different Veterinary Opthamalogists, who have both confirmed
that Stanley is completely 100% blind, his retinas both
complete destroyed and no evidence of other trauma or underlying
illness or hereditary reason for this sudden onset of blindness
except the use of Baytril (no other meds of any kind, including
holistics are being given to this dog)
Bayer is paying for over $1500 worth of Veterinary care and
examination on this dog. They have issued a warning to
veterinarians on the link between Baytril and sudden onset
blindness, and apparently, they knew of this problem for
nearly a year.
Dr. Nick Busanich, who is treating Stanley, has found all
kinds of reference to Baytril and blindness on the internet,
and at the recent Veterinary Opthamology conference held in
Chicago last month, which he attended, the topic of Baytril
and blindness was a major discussion.
Bayer is supposed to be issuing veterinary notice regarding
the possibility of blindness in dogs treated with Baytril.
They recommend halving the usual dosage will reduce the risk.
Since Baytril is a common antibiotic used by many breeders
(and often in our medicine cabinets for our dogs) I feel it
is very important to warn breeders of this risk, real or not.
It's not worth taking the risk of using Baytril if there is
any chance of causing your dog to be blind. There are other
choices in antibiotics besides Baytril. I had about 12 Baytril
in my first aid kit, and they have been flushed down the toilet
today!"
====================
She has become very uneasy, walking in circles.
You can quell those SYMPTOMS using the distraction
and praise techniques and PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual (find link below).
If I hold her she calms down some.
THAT WILL REINFORCE HER INSECURITY. You MUST rely
on NON PHYSCIAL PRAISE otherWIZE you'll be "coddling"
her anxiety and therbye reinforce it.
Has anyone ever experienced anything like this.
What's curiHOWES to The Amazing Puppy WIzard is
that your VET would PRESCRIBE anti biotics and
steroids in the absence of ANY finding of infection
or inflamation.
The SYMPTOMS of circling and "uneasiness" are TYPICAL
of OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER, which CAN CAUSE
"Hysterical Blindness".
They have run all the tests and they came back ok.
The remaining question The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
is do her eyes respond to light, IOW, do her pupils
dilate and contract?
Thanks!
COULD BE your dog got a meningioma pressing
on her optic nerve. OR it COULD BE just another
case of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
Kim
In a seemingly non related thread, The
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:10:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries
Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has
just started this thing where she
cries for a bit....and it sounds
different than she's meowed in the past
...it's pretty loud.
This is getting weird! You're about the third or fourth
person who has posted this exact same thing in the last
year or so. The reason I know this is because I also have
two 17-year old cats that do the same thing. In each case -
I am not making this up - the cats were 17 years old! So I
have paid particular attention to these posts.
I am convinced that my cats are healthy, and can find no
logical reason for their crying. It drives me crazy -
especially when they do it three or four times a night,
whether they're locked out of the bedroom or not.
One of my two teens (Dufus) will stop when I say "shut up!" But
the other one (Bubba) just gets louder! I tried some reverse
psychology recently -- when Bubba started I yelled "Louder!" I
was surprised when he actually stopped yelling! Whatever works!
I have never read any replies to any of these people that
explained their cats' "yowling," and no one has ever posted
a follow up to let us know if there was any problem found
with the cats or if the cats ever stopped their yowling.
Please do let us (me) know if you get any good answers that
aren't posted here.
You can see my two teenagers, and my five other pets (cats &
dogs), on my website. URL is below.
8^)~~~~ Sue
Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:22:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Senior Cat Cries
*
*> Hi. My almost 17 yr. old cat, Misty, has just started
*> this thing where she cries for a bit....and it sounds
*> different than she's meowed in the past...it's pretty
*> loud. She's fine....she plays, eats, and seems in good
*> health.
I'd definitely want to rule out hyperthyroidism, if tha
hasn't already been done. If the cat has a normal physical
exam and normal bloodwork (including T4 and toxoplasma
serology!), it might be "getting senile," or it might have
some other brain disease (meningioma being most common, I
think). If it is just "getting senile," sometimes when the
cat is yowling, wrapping it in a towel and holding it tightly
against you can help. Even then it may take 20 min or so to
calm the cat down, though.
Good luck getting to the root of the matter.
--
hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net
divisum est." newly minted
veterinarian-at-large :)
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
Date: 02/05/1999
You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
actually admit to buying and having success with his
little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
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Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
On another note: I understand why someone
proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
doesn't work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
underlying that technique.
Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
method, though anyone is welcome to make that
leap.
I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
and its model of learning.
Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where she wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing her thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish my thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for my dog to heel and give me permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they did work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no
plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any
time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would
be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times
people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just
went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his
tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the
street until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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Please DON'T BE The Amazing Pussy Wizard's PREY.
IT AIN'T PRETTY.
My dog became blind in one eye after 4 days of baytril...So upset.
Baytril should be removed from the market...and all vets should be
warned.
cshenk
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HOWEDY Kim,
http://www.irishdogs.ie/Information/Wits_End_Dog_Training.pdf
Please DON'T BE The Amazing Pussy Wizard's PREY.
IT AIN'T PRETTY.
My dog became blind in one eye after 4 days of baytril...So upset.
Baytril should be removed from the market...and all vets should be
warned.
Now we have a confirmed spammer who mimiced me. I dod NOT post this.

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cshenk
2020-01-13 00:07:51 UTC
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Post by m***@bell.net
My dog became blind in one eye after 4 days of baytril...So upset.
Baytril should be removed from the market...and all vets should be
warned.
Kim, please stop quoting 2,500 lines of a 2005 post.

This sounds like SARDS and has nothing to do with a medication.
Meantime, do you need help with how to deal wit a blind dog?
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