HOWEDY judith you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal an child abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case,
Post by Judith AlthouseNessa said in part...
My husband and I both dearly love this dog but do not feel that he can
be trusted. I just don't know what triggers his aggressive actions.
__________________________________
Nessa
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
ALL aggression is FEAR; ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
Post by Judith AlthouseI understand that you posted this item on behalf of
someone else from another forum.
"Seem" there AIN'T NONE of you MENTAL CASES got nodoGdameneD
ADVICE for nessa's heelpless PAL from the newfie forums??
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
Post by Judith AlthouseI am sure by now someone else has posted the same comment I am about to.
You mean, as matty sez: 'THE DOG CAN'T BE TRAINED', judith?
OR did you mean as malinda an janet sez: 'HURT IT till it THINKS
IT'S GONNA DIE', accordin to diddler's INSTRUCTIONS?
Post by Judith AlthouseMy suggestion is to manage the dog with with the "serious problem".
That so, judith, based on your own SUCCESS "trainin" your dog relying
upon the EXXXPERTEASE of your HERO: "z dog wheesperer"??
"MANAGEMENT ALWAYS FAILS":
Re: Dog Whisperer Week on National Geographic
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <***@gmail.com>
wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
Well, again, "shit" happens.
It's possible to avoid "shit" from happening altogether,
by never doing anything, but that doesn't help dogs very
much, does it?
But as some folks are wont to say: "Management
always fails."
It'll fail for you one day, too. And I bet it already
has, probably many times, in fact.
The more dogs you try to manage, the more
things you try to do, the more times it'll fail.
Because I've see too much "shit" actually happen,
and know that it's impossible to totally prevent.
"Shit" has happened a number of times just today, at
my place, because someone simply forgot to do what
he was supposed to do. He's done it correctly, oh,
maybe a thousand times now, but today he didn't, and
"shit" happened.
Actually, you should feel pretty good about the fact "
that he actually shows "shit" happening on his show.
--------------
lying frosty dahl wrote:
"My behaviorist friend says, however, that "management
always fails." "my aggression-specialist friend has a maxim:
"management always fails."
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SEE?
Post by Judith AlthouseThe owners have already had too many incidents
PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENTA they DON'T KNOW HOWE
to pupperly raise, handle an train their doggy, eh, judith??
Post by Judith Althouseand should know better than to allow a dog with prey drive to run
at large or ahead of them on a walk. What if the dog's prey drive
causes him to kill someone else's animal or another animal within
his home?
You ever heard of TRAININ, judith?
DESPITE that your MAGGOT PALS don't know HOWE to pupperly
raise handle an train their own dogs don't mean *you* gotta be the
SAME KINDA IGNORAMEHOWES spHOWETIN BUNK just to keep
other folks from LEARNIN HOWE to pupperly handle their dogs <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith AlthouseThe bottom line is that I do not think the dog can be trained
"Seem" trainin is mostly LUCK, eh, judith?
That's curiHOWES, judith; ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING therefore they
CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply
by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE *you* an your lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE
PALS prefer <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith Althousebut whether I am right or wrong it is not very wise
of them to allow the dog around cats period
Sez you, judith? You're a lyin dog abusin MENTAL CASE.
You CAME HERE for the SAME PROBLEM, if you remember.
If you DON'T REMEMBER, judith, I got MOST of your own
POSTED CASE HISTORY below for your edification <{}'; ~ ) >
Post by Judith Althouseand I would not completely rule out an attack on
the Golden that he shares a home with.
Of curse not~! AGGRESSION IS CAUSED BY FORCED CON-TROLL.
Well then, judith, looks like he ain't got the OPTION of bannishing
his dog to the backyard like HOWE you done to your own FEAR
AGGRESSIVE HYPERACTIVE HOWETA CON-TROLL dog <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith AlthouseI have a dog that has exhibited dog aggression.
Yeah. You CAME HERE to GET PERMISSION to MURDER IT.
INDEED?
Post by Judith AlthouseHe is a good companion and very well behaved but when it comes to
attacking another dog I can not trust him so I do not allow him to be in
that position.
On accHOWENT you DON'T KNOW HOWE to pupperly handle your dog.
Post by Judith AlthouseHe was 2 years old before he exhibited that behavior.
YOU CAUSED HIS FEAR AGGRESSION by JERKIN CHOKIN
SHOCKIN an SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATIN IT <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith AlthouseHe had lived with me for one year before showing
any sign of dog aggression.
An then it just happened... all on it's own <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith AlthouseIt only took one time for me to learn that I must manage him
every minute of every day just to be safe. It is a lot of work
but he is worth it to me.
You're a IDIOT, judith <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith AlthouseThe people you posted about have had more than a clue.
That so, judith? They got the SAME INFORMATION YOU GOT.
Post by Judith AlthouseIf they really care about their dog they need to train him in obedience
It's your INSANE NAZI OBEDIENCE TRAININ
that CAUSES FEAR AGGRESSION <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
Post by Judith AlthouseWhen I was training him under Janet's supervision I was
instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
She was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I had to
yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him to respond.
Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he had for her
(as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had learned to trust).
He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------------------
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <***@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message news:janet-***@news.individual.net...
It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have
enough obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
----------------------
SEE??
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
AND THAT'S HOWE COME you AIN'T GOT THE
INTELLECT
To HOWEtwit The Cunnin Of The Domestic
Puppy Dog Or Kitty Kat...
UNLESS THEY'RE DEAD <{}: ~ ( >
Post by Judith Althouseand manage him at all times as not only could he kill or
maim another animal but he could end up dead himself.
You pullin the FEAR card again, judith?
Post by Judith AlthousePerhaps the OP should consult a behaviorist not for rehabilitation
You mean on accHOWENTA DOGS CAN'T BE TRAINED, judith?
Post by Judith Althousebut so they may have some understanding about prey drive.
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS, judith?:
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM
From: ***@cfl.rr.com
To: ***@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
----------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Subject: Chasing squirrels
From: lindalee
Date: Sat, Jan 21 2006 10:34 pm
Email: "lindalee" <***@msn.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
I have not posted to the group for awhile but want
to share my success of teaching my dog Sunshine,
who has a very high prey drive, to not go after
squirrels when on a walk.
It took a few trials but he can now walk right
past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his
attention when he saw a squirrel and then praised him
and kept on walking past the squirrel.
Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he
was always wanting to chase them up a tree. Jerry's
approach of sound and praise really works.
I think the people who discount his methods have never
tried the method because it works everytine. Sometimes
it takes a little practice to get the sound from different
directions but I was able to change Sunshine's behavior in
just a week after we moved back to Michigan.
Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections
just won't work but using sound and praise he is a really
great dog who opens doors, picks up things I drop, and and
helps me a lot.
If you have a behavior problem with your dog get a
copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
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Post by Judith AlthouseOf course there are books on the subject.
That so, judith?
You know of any books that TEACH you dog lovers HOWE to
pupperly raise handle an train your dogs not to FEAR bein jerked
an choked an shocked for NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE
BEHAVIORS, judith?
Post by Judith AlthousePeople like the owner of that dog never cease to amaze me.
That so, judith? PERHAPS you AIN'T BEEN READIN MY FORUMS?
Post by Judith AlthouseI could understand how they were caught off guard the first time
when their cat was attacked but it shouldn't have been allowed to
happen again.
Oh, perhaps the BEHAVIORIST will EXXXPLAIN it for you, eh, judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseFeel free to pass my post on to the owners of that dog
You didn't give nodoGdameneD ADVICE, remember, judith?
Post by Judith Althouseif you think it would be of help.
ALL you done was attempt to inspire FEAR and MISUNDERSTANDING.
That so, judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseBe Free.....Judy
Hello Cecil,
Add me to the list that suggests choke chain collars for obedience
training.
INDEED? You mean the dog abusing MENTAL CASES, judith.
Post by Judith AlthouseMay I also suggest that you beware of leaving a dog unattended
with a choke chain on....
On accHOWENT of you only want IT to CHOKE when you jerk an choke him.
Post by Judith Althouseespecially if there is a chance that they could get caught in a fence
Trying to ESCAPE.
Post by Judith Althouseor choked in some manner....
Happens all the time, judith.
No it ain't, judith.
Post by Judith Althousebut it can happen especially wirh 2 new dogs in the house.
He'll need to leave the leash an collar on his dog to
CORRECT his dog when company arrives, judith.
Post by Judith AlthouseIf they only go out on a leash,,,,
THAT'S when his dog attacks other dogs.
THAT'S HIS PROBLEM, judith.
Post by Judith AlthouseGood Luck with your new dogs.
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, dog abuser.
With your dog on a choke collar.
HOWEDY Judith,
Post by Judith AlthouseThumbs up or Thumbs down???
the ces is a dog abusin punk thug coward, a Nazi / Fascist.
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, Judith.
Post by Judith AlthouseHe is my idol, my hero, my guru.
He's a dog abuser, a punk and a coward.
Post by Judith Althousei want to be him when I grow up :)
Well then, you're too stupid to live so long.
Post by Judith Althouseso, whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
Your own dogs' behavior problems are reflected in
Shove 'm both up your arse an walk on your elbows.
That's curiHOWES, comin from a Nazi.
Here's a little of your own posted case history and
Post by Judith AlthouseHi everyone,
I read thru all of the posts just knowing that someone else
had already addressed my problems but if so I overlooked it.
The QUESTION was "alpha dogs".
The PROBLEM is FEAR AGGRESSION in
a ALPHA BITCH HOWEsHOWEld <{): ~ ) >
Post by Judith AlthouseI have had 2 of my dogs since they were a year old.
They are now 13 and 14.
The average lifespan of abused dogs here is 9-10 years old.
Post by Judith AlthouseThe older one a spayed female Border Collie mix. The 13
year old a Black Lab, 15 months ago I introduced a year
old Pit Bul/Lab mix to the pack.
NO PROBLEMO.
Post by Judith AlthouseHe is a neutered male approx 2 years old now....
Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES insecurity and aggression.
Post by Judith AlthouseEverything has been rolling right along.
INDEED.
Post by Judith AlthouseSeveral months ago another Pit Bull joined the family
although he has remained outside. He is not neutered
yet and though he is very mellow I just feel like I am
pushing my luck to introduce him to the household.
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck is for SUCKERS,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}; ~ ) >
That's IDIOCY. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks
of age. It's a dog's most imperative terrortorial imperative after
SURVIVAL. There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME a
dog would have HOWEsbreakin problems. AnyWON who got a
dog with HOWEsbreakin problems got EITHER a SICK DOG OR
a UNHAPPY DOG <{): ~ ( >
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith Althouseand most likely has spent his life on a chain.
That's IRRELEVENT.
Post by Judith AlthouseOk here is the problem...
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseJubal Early the Pit Bull/Lab mix recently attacked
Buck (my old Lab) 3 times in one day.
Dogs ONLY attack when they're AFRAID. ALL AGGRESSION
IS FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
LIKE THIS:
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseIt was not the most vicious attacks I have ever seen but
could have easily escalated. Buck came out of it with a
scrape on his ear. Buck just laid around for a day. I
am not sure if it was because he was sore or because he
was broken. Of course I have kept Jubal Early seperated
or on a leash since then.
Seems with all your "KNOWLEDGE" learned from the ces,
you shouldn't have this problem. Your dogs are not
"calm and assertive" they're AFRAID, on accHOWENT of
you're a DOG ABSUER, not a calm assertive leader, but
a NAZI, like the ces. OtherWIZE, your dogs would be
FRIENDLY and SAFE and SECURE.
HOWEver, THEY AIN'T.
Post by Judith AlthouseBuck is definitely afraid of Jubal,
Well then, what's THAT say to your "CALM ASSERTIVE" energy?
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith Althousethe sound of him makes Buck anxious.
Well then, perhaps you should practice the ces's "SECRET S-HOWEND",
eh Judith? You know, the WON the ces makes when he got to assert
his calm assertive energy? You know, when he grabs the victim by
his throat an tells IT to be CALM and ASSERTIVE and IT WON'T GET
CHOKED someMOORE <{}; ~ ) >
Post by Judith AlthousePrior to this incident Jubal E steered clear of Buck if
a toy would roll over to Buck he would grab the toy and
run for his life, even jump over the couch at times to
avoid passing Buck in a close hall way.
What happened to your "CALM ASSERTIVE ENERGY", Judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseI must admit to having made some mistakes with Jubal E.
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseHe is young and active and he is fun to play with
plus I did not have complete control of his handling.
You mean you couldn't jerk and choke IT and run IT arHOWEND
the city for an HOWER twice a day as INSTRUCTED by the ces?
Post by Judith AlthouseSuffice it to say Jubal was allowed to run the show.
You mean, he was ALPHA? The so called "ALPHA" is ALWAYS
the MOST FEARFUL, like the alpha trainer, Judith. THAT'S
HOWE COME the ces is a COWARD, Judith. ONLY A COWARD would
do what he does to dogs and try to get HOWET callin NAZISM,
dog trainin.
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseHe became the Pack Leader over humans and dogs alike.
That's sheer idiocy.
Post by Judith AlthouseMy theory is that Jubal has just taken over as the Alpha Dog.
You mean he's HOWETA CON-TROLL, Judith? PERHAPS it's your
THEORY that's caused your dog behavior problems? PERHAPS
if you worked within ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC BEHAVIOR SCIENCE
you wouldn't be GUSSIN HOWE COME your dog is AFRAID enough
to attack his HOWEsmate UNDER YOUR CON-TROLL, Judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseThe part I do NOT understand is why Jubal Early is still
on the attack since Buck is not offering any opposition.
Oh, THAT'S on accHOWENT of your dog is AFRAID, Judith.
HERE'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG IS AFRAID, Judith:
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseI can't say he is submissive.
RIGHT. It's SURVIVAL INSTINCT. You've frightened your dog to death.
Post by Judith AlthouseHe doesn't get a chance to be.
Naaaah? DO TELL???
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseTerrified would be more like it....
INDEED? Whatever happened to your "CALM ASSERTIVE ENERGY", Judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseI have gone over the incidents a million times
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR, Judith. The SAME FEAR which fuels
you and your Nazi punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case pals who jerk choke shock
bribe crate intimidate surgically sexually mutilate and
murder innocent defenseless dumb critters <{): ~ ( >
THAT'S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, Judith.
Post by Judith Althouseand for the life of me I cannot put my finger on
anything in particular triggering the incident...
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseThere was a time when Lady (my oldest dog was the Alpha dog
You mean when she was most afraid.
Post by Judith Althouseand controlled Buck) until a few years ago and
she gracefully took a back seat to him.
That's curiHOWES. Males in nature ALWAYS defer to the female,
it's SURVIVAL INSTINCT at it's beast, dog lovers <{): ~ ) >
Here ya go, Judith:
Subject: The Dog Whisperer
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol,
my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up :) so,
whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!!!!
Be Free,
Judy
Post by Judith AlthouseDo you think things will ever settle down here?
All depends. Do you want to continue to be an abuser?
Post by Judith AlthouseAll of my dogs are rescued dogs that just came to me.
Yeah. Rescued.
Post by Judith AlthouseAs much as I love the 2 new additions. I will not see
my poor old Dog Buck be terrified and hurt by anyone.
You mean, like HOWE he HAS BEEN, despite your "CALM ASSERTIVE" energy?
Post by Judith AlthouseYou can imagine what it is like, constantly
shuffling dogs and fearing disaster.
Yeah. It'd be NORMAL for a incompetent dog abusin coward.
Post by Judith AlthouseThis has all hapened a couple of days ago and I am exhausted.
Naaah?
Post by Judith AlthouseI am sorry to be so wordy, but I was trying to give you
the straight scoop so hopefully someone could offer some
advice.
Yeah? Then HOWE COME you "OVERLOOKED" your ALPHALPHA THEORY PROBLEM?
Post by Judith AlthouseI have always had dogs.
Let's get sumpthin straight, dog abuser. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT
POST HERE abHOWETS. LIARS DOG ABSUERS COWARDS and PATHETIC
LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here when they want PERMISSION
to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER their own innocent defenseless
dumb critters, Judith.
HOWE COME DO YOU WANT TO HURT YOUR DOGS, Judith?
Post by Judith AlthouseI have owned a show dog, obedience dogs, (Dobermans)
Oh, so you've already got a very long case history
of animal abuse and alphalphal dysfunction thinkin.
Post by Judith Althouseso I am not a novice to the dog world.
But you're lookin for advice to HURT your dog.
Post by Judith AlthouseSomebody please HELP us...
No Judith, you need to heelp yourself.
Post by Judith AlthouseThanks for reading this.....
You're a victim of abuse, as are your children and dogs.
ONLY PARENTS FEAR and HATE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard even MOORE than the professional trainers,
university behaviorists and veterinary malpracticioners whom
HE has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED <{) ; ~ ) >
Oprah Winfrey's Dog Problems
Lisa Radosta -Huntley DVM
Resident, Behavioral Medicine
Matthew J. Ryan Veterinary Hospital of the
University of Pennsylvania
I am sorry to report that Cesar Millan is going to be featured
on an upcoming episode of Oprah
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...-262036c.html).
Pretty much everything that EVER appears on Oprah becomes HUGE,
so I am very disheartened to say the least. Best case scenario
is that this appearance puts him on the radar of the positive
dog training, animal welfare, and/or animal rights communities
resulting in a critical mass of people expressing their opposition
to his methods.
Unfortunately, in the U.S., even bad press winds up being
good press somehow, so it will be interesting to see how
this plays out.
Lisa Radosta -Huntley DVM
Resident, Behavioral Medicine
Matthew J. Ryan Veterinary Hospital of the
University of Pennsylvania Oprah link -
http://www.oprah.com/email/tows/tows...uestid=3240019
Please do whatever you can...
Pat Miller
Hi,
This message was originally sent to me by Kathy Kruger. I am
forwarding it because if we don't act now, Cesar Millan and
his methods will be household names by Monday afternoon at 5 pm.
Anyone who is interested, please pass this on to your own list
serves and act quickly. I have already emailed and the letter
that we sent to National Geographic is being overnight Fed Ex'd.
Lisa
__________________
Cesar's Way:
The Natural, Everyday Guide to Understanding
& Correcting Common Dog Problems
By Cesar Millan, with Melissa Jo Peltier
Harmony Books, 320 pp., 2006; $24.95
Reviewed by Pat Miller for The Bark
Cesar Millan Book
Almost every dog-training book has something to offer the
discerning reader, and Cesar's Way is no exception. The
book's strength is as an autobiography of National Geographic's
TV dog-trainer star, Cesar Millan. If you're curious about
how Millan got where he is today, this book will tell you.
If you're looking for significant help training your dog,
however, look elsewhere.
Many in the behavioral science community view the tenets-
and consequences- of Cesar's "way" with trepidation.
In an interview published in the New York Times in February
of this year, Dr. Nicolas Dodman, director of the Animal
Behavior Clinic at Tufts University 's Cummings School of
Veterinary Medicine, observed, "My College thinks it is a
travesty.
We've written to National Geographic Channel and told them
they have put dog training back 20 years."
Millan provides little in terms of concrete training information,
offering instead broad generalizations about projecting "calm-
assertive energy"-a Millan catch phrase-and instilling "calm,
submissive energy" in your dog.
For example, in Chapter 8, he offers "Simple Tips for Living
Happily with Your Dog." His "Rules of the House" include:
"Wake up on your terms, not his... condition him to get
quietly off the bed if he wakes before you do."
"Don't allow possessiveness over toys and food!"
"Don't allow out-of-control barking."
Good advice, perhaps, but, nowhere in the book does he
explain how to accomplish these things, other than by
using calm-assertive energy.
Millan is nothing if not confident. He admits to his "
politically incorrect" reliance on old-fashioned dominance
theory, stating, "To dogs, there are only two positions in
a relationship: leader and follower.
Dominant and submissive.
It's either black or white."
He even has the hubris to bemoan the unwillingness of
authorities to allow him to rehabilitate Hera, one of
the two notorious Presa Canario dogs who killed Diane
Whipple in the hallway of her San Francisco apartment
building.
In Millan's world, every behavior problem is addressed in
terms of dominance and submission. He even uses the alpha
roll as part of his "dominance ritual"; this technique-
forcibly rolling a dog on his side or back and holding him
there-is considered by many to be a dangerous practice based
on faulty interpretation of wolf behavior.
It long ago fell into disfavor with trainers whose methods
are based on the science of behavior and learning.
Where Millan talks about "energy," science-based trainers
talk about behavior, and generally agree that status in
social groups is fluid and contextual, not black or white.
Truly effective and long-term success in behavior modification
requires a far more studied and complex approach than simply
asserting dominance.
Interpretation of dog body language diverges just as widely.
Millan refers in his book to Kane, a Great Dane who appeared on
his TV show who was afraid of slick linoleum floors. Millan claims
that with less than 30 minutes of his calm, assertive influence,
Kane was striding confidently down the slick hallway.
Every trainer I know who has watched that segment notes the
dog's post-Millan, obvious and ongoing stress signals: head
and tail lowered, hugging the wall, panting.
Millan touts the benefits of exercise in modifying dog behavior,
a concept I heartily endorse. However, his book starts with a
description of the four-hour exercise session he engages in with
his pack of dogs every morning in the Santa Monica Mountains of
Southern California, followed by afternoons spent rollerblading
with those same dogs, 10 at a time, on the streets around his
training center.
One of the tenets of a successful training program is that it
gives the dog owner tools he or she can apply. How many dog
owners can spend six hours a day exercising their dogs?
How many can project "calm-assertive energy"? The danger of
Cesar's Way is that it assures owners that quick fixes and
easy answers lie in the hands of a smiling man with the elusive
calm-assertive energy.
In fact, answers are better found in the beautiful complexity
of life, where solutions are often not quick and easy, but are
solidly built on a sturdy foundation and an understanding of
how behavior really works.
Recommended Reading from 4Paws University
A Tough-Love Dog Whisperer Spurs Some Yelps
Producer Sues TV's Dog Whisperer
Cesar's Way:
The Natural, Everyday Guide to Understanding
and Correcting Common Dog Problems
Amazon.com
"Whisper" softly and carry a big stick?!,
May 8, 2006
Reviewer: Sympawtico Dog Training, LLC -
I recently compiled a list of suggested reading materials
for my dog training clients. Cesar's Way is not on it.
His methods are based on out-dated and scientifically unfounded
theories that too often place the trainer at odds with their dog,
compromising the safety of both - not to mention eroding the dog-
human bond.
With all of the other good books on positive reinforcement dog
training on the market, the serious student will do far better
to spend their money elsewhere. Don't settle for "whispering";
look to behaviorists and trainers who loudly and clearly offer
sound advice based on good understanding of learning theory
and behavior science: Karen Pryor, Patricia McConnell, Jean
Donaldson, Pat Miller.
Their methods work, they foster communication and cooperation
between the species - and they won't harm you or your dog.
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Nothing new or useful,
May 7, 2006
Reviewer: joyousdog
Milan's methods may seem new and revolutionary to anyone
who has no experience in the world of dogs, but they are
not. In fact, most have long-since been deserted by dog
trainers who understand how learning really happens.
It is as if someone had achieved great popularity pushing
a fabulous new invention called the typewriter, embracing
the long-dead theory that "cold" mothers cause autism in
their children, or advocating smacking kindergarten kids
over the knuckles with a ruler as a magical way to teach
them the alphabet.
Nothing about it seems so horrible, to someone who is innocent
of the history of the subject at hand, and it is neatly packaged
to seem like a method. But a little knowledge easily shows the
flaws in it.
His calm, controlled demeanor is simply common sense to anyone
who works with animals, or, for that matter, anyone who teaches
anything. You could probably get that advice from a local trainer
in your town, or even an excellent parent or elementary school
teacher.
And, many trainers agree that exercise is good for dogs -
- that's hardly revolutionary. However, it is not a magical
cure-all for difficult dogs.
The rest of what he advocates, although it may seem to have
a philosophy and some organization, is just a mish-mash of
techniques with little logic behind them.
He has his set routines, and often does not notice that things
like "flooding" -- forcing a dog into a situation that it fears -
- is shutting it down with stress, not calming it down and easing
its fear.
The dog-human relationship need not include dominance rituals -
- dogs know we are not dogs. The "be alpha" stuff came from a
small bit of research on wolves, decades ago, that has long
since been supplanted, and has little bearing on pet dogs.
Life has made us the leaders -- we have control of the doors,
the food, the car, the toys, and everything else a dog wants -
- it is quite easy to change dogs' behavior, as long as we use
those things.
Our larger brains and some patience are the best tools to
train a dog. Actions like controlling the environment to
keep a dog out of trouble, figuring out what it finds
rewarding, and reinforcing behaviors you do want, are far
more effective, pleasant, and likely to build a good
relationship than Milan's techniques.
Check out the works of Karen Pryor, Pat Miller or Melissa
Alexander for better ideas about teaching, and Suzanne
Clothier, Ray and Lorna Coppinger, Jean Donaldson, or
Patricia McConnell for better insight into dogs. For
free advice, try the Clickersolutions.com site.
Dogs can learn self-control, voluntary compliance with our
wishes -- they need not be dominated, just taught. I want
my dogs actions to say "I'll do that!" not "I give up."
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A sad day in dog land...,
May 6, 2006
Reviewer: Barbara Davis "BADDogsInc" (Corona, CA)
If you want to take a ride to the 70s in a time machine, this
is the vehicle for you. Do your dog a favor, though, and leave
him right where he is, since Millan's 'philosophy' of dog/human
relationship management really won't be doing him much good.
If you're a big fan of the old school's outmoded alpha rolls,
or truly believe your dog is trying to dominate you while he's
cruising the counter looking for cookies, then you'll probably
enjoy this book a great deal.
If you do choose to buy this, you'll get a lot of the author's
biography and his own personal 'science' (that bears little or
no resemblance to any accepted science in the realms of learning
theory, dog training or behavior).
What you WON'T get is much information on dog training, or much
useful advice on how to fix any kind of dog behavior or dog/human
relationship problems.
Complex issues like separation anxiety rate a couple of paragraphs,
heavily vested in making sure the dog is exercised to exhaustion at
all times.
While I'm sure a dog that's physically depleted all the time is
much easier to handle, I'm not sure how many of us actually have
the ability to incorporate 6 hours of daily strenuous dog exercise
into our already crowded lives.
And besides, what role does an exhausted, 4-legged
zombie fill in your family circle?
The human/dog bond has evolved for thousands of years as a
richly textured relationship deserving of a great deal more
consideration than Millan's 'fast-food' analysis would suggest.
Your money would be better spent elsewhere...
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Customer Reviews
Depends on what you want
July 7, 2006
Reviewer: Dog Owner (Lake Mary, FL USA)
If you want to see Mr. Milan demonstrate his personal rapport
with animals, this DVD will fill the bill. However, if you are
seeking advice and instruction on how to overcome aggression
in your pet, this DVD will not be of much help.
The DVD is really nothing but an infommercial praising Mr.
Milan's talents. I seriously doubt that the dogs he works
with in the DVD maintain their non-aggressive behavior after
he leaves.
The strategies he uses, such as having the aggressive dog
walk beside his non-aggressive pack dog, are not practical
for the average dog owner.
If someone were going to hire Mr. Milan as a personal dog
trainer, this item would certainly serve as a recommendation,
but it is woefully lacking as step-by-step instruction on how
to overcome aggression in a dog.
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